Follow the Science?

[Tom Kunich]

One of the odd things is to discover that MD's don't necessarily understand what science is and they are following rumor and myth. They ran a rather silly test in which they had adjoining cages of hamsters with one group infected with SARS-Cov-2 and the others not. They measured the percentage of non-infected hamsters that became infected. Then they place the material that masks are made of between another set of cages and measured the numbers of hamsters that subsequently became infected. Since a smaller number of hamsters because infected in the second case they presented this as "science" proving that masks work.

Well, this was a rather ridiculous idea to begin with so why didn't they actually think about what they were doing? This experiment worked for the simple reason that the material reduced the flow of air between the cages or forces a more indirect route. This is absolutely nothing like the case of a person wearing a mask who has pressurized transfer of air both in and out.

So exactly where was this science they were following?

I have talked about how doctors in general are brighter than most of these so-called scientists designing and running tests like this, but they too can become propagandized into believing that a mask can have some sort of effect. We have that fool Fauci standing before a camera and saying that it would be advisable to wear two masks in tandem.

A corona virus is small, on the order of between 50 to 200 nanometers depending on the specific type. This would be extremely difficult to mechanically filter from the air under the best possible conditions and a cloth mask is not a good condition.

While the mask proponents cry otherwise the facts are that the growth of covid-19 across the globe between those that wear masks and those who haven't are virtually identical with population density being more informative than any other measures. So let's not cry about "following the science" as a man told me yesterday.

[AMuzi]

MDs are merely human, no more no less:

https://zukus.net/2021/01/31/st-peters-father-dies-in-hospital-parking-lot-after-family-says-hospital-refused-treatment-news-headlines/

You might say MDs ought to know better. Good luck with that.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[Sir Ridesalot]

Lawsuit pending?

Cheers

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/31/2021 12:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> MDs are merely human, no more no less:
>
> https://zukus.net/2021/01/31/st-peters-father-dies-in-hospital-parking-lot-after-family-says-hospital-refused-treatment-news-headlines/

It's bad to overgeneralize. MDs are highly educated and trained in
medicine, much more so than typical humans. Do they make mistakes? Yes,
occasionally - but I still wouldn't want to pick a random human off the
street to diagnose and treat my heart attack.

One might say "Bike mechanics are human, no more no less." But despite
the mistakes I've seen them make, I'd say they are on average more
competent at bike repair than most people - even most MDs.

Division of labor makes sense. It's a fundamental component of
civilization.

(And I'm far too conservative to pretend we are all equal in
intelligence, training and skill.)

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

I took my wife down to the ER for a possible broken bone in her leg. It turned out to be harmless but didn't seem so at first. Getting her in there was a REAL chore because you had to have a mask on and she could not be accompanied. So she had to work her way in barely able to walk and go the counter and fill out a form standing up and then go and sit in a section of the waiting room that was exposed to heavy air conditioning on a cold night. I finally had enough and went and talked to the ARMED GUARD on the entrance to the ER and got him to call the doctor out. I told her that the last time I brought my brother in that they missed a major problem that would have killed him shortly. She took that as she should have as a legal threat and they went out of their way to X-rays, cat scans and MRI to find that it was a slight fracture that would heal in a couple of days. An MRI for a possible broken bone was overkill but at least I knew that they had taken me seriously.

[AMuzi]

I agree with you.

Ditto for licensed professional engineers:

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/10/extraordinary-oversight-failed-to-identify-issues-with-cracked-steel-beams-at-sfs-transbay-terminal/

[Tom Kunich]

We are living in an age of Fake News and too much Fake Science. As Andrew said, Doctors are only human and they are just as likely to fall for a load of crap as the next guy if it is repeated enough. A good friend of mine said that he was going to "follow the science" because that is the commonly used phrase now. I didn't know what I was talking about because I wasn't going with the flow. His wife has a liver and heart transplant and what he didn't know is that she would be dead if I hadn't designed the instruments to make those transplants possible. I designed the first real heart/lung machine and the respiratory gas analyzer so that the surgeons could keep her alive during and after the transplants. You and I are being absolutely inundated by propaganda lies that can destroy your life but you don't even realized it because they follow the tenants of Joseph Goebbels "If you repeat a big enough lie often enough people grow to believe it".

Remember when I said that people were wearing masks on their bikes while riding? That can cause very serious lung damage. And now we have that moron Fauci saying that we should wear two or even three masks all of the time. Do you think that you're immune to this? Time after time here you have turned away from actual science because I stated it only to follow your false God's of leftism. I really couldn't care less whether you believe me or not but I don't say these things to hurt you but to inform you, you may do what you wish with that. While I rag you for being a failure, I hope you realize that being a college professor isn't a failure of any caliber. I don't expect ME jobs to be all that common in Springfield and from what little I know of the place I certainly wouldn't blame you for wanting to stay there and using any job to enable that.

I was lucky that Silicon Valley and Berkeley were hotbeds of high tech development or I might have ended up working for the Rapid Transit repair for my whole life.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/31/2021 4:04 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/31/2021 12:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> MDs are merely human, no more no less:
>>>
>>> https://zukus.net/2021/01/31/st-peters-father-dies-in-hospital-parking-lot-after-family-says-hospital-refused-treatment-news-headlines/
>> It's bad to overgeneralize. MDs are highly educated and trained in
>> medicine, much more so than typical humans. Do they make mistakes? Yes,
>> occasionally - but I still wouldn't want to pick a random human off the
>> street to diagnose and treat my heart attack.
>>
>> One might say "Bike mechanics are human, no more no less." But despite
>> the mistakes I've seen them make, I'd say they are on average more
>> competent at bike repair than most people - even most MDs.
>>
>> Division of labor makes sense. It's a fundamental component of
>> civilization.
>>
>> (And I'm far too conservative to pretend we are all equal in
>> intelligence, training and skill.)
>
> We are living in an age of Fake News and too much Fake Science. As Andrew said, Doctors are only human and they are just as likely to fall for a load of crap as the next guy if it is repeated enough.

About medical issues? Sorry, Tom, that's absolute bullshit.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/31/2021 3:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/31/2021 11:52 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> One of the odd things is to discover that MD's don't necessarily understand what science is and they are following rumor and myth. They ran a rather silly test in which they had adjoining cages of hamsters with one group infected with SARS-Cov-2 and the others not. They measured the percentage of non-infected hamsters that became infected. Then they place the material that masks are made of between another set of cages and measured the numbers of hamsters that subsequently became infected. Since a smaller number of hamsters because infected in the second case they presented this as "science" proving that masks work.
>>>
>>> Well, this was a rather ridiculous idea to begin with so why didn't they actually think about what they were doing? This experiment worked for the simple reason that the material reduced the flow of air between the cages or forces a more indirect route. This is absolutely nothing like the case of a person wearing a mask who has pressurized transfer of air both in and out.
>>>
>>> So exactly where was this science they were following?
>>>
>>> I have talked about how doctors in general are brighter than most of these so-called scientists designing and running tests like this, but they too can become propagandized into believing that a mask can have some sort of effect. We have that fool Fauci standing before a camera and saying that it would be advisable to wear two masks in tandem.
>>>
>>> A corona virus is small, on the order of between 50 to 200 nanometers depending on the specific type. This would be extremely difficult to mechanically filter from the air under the best possible conditions and a cloth mask is not a good condition.
>>>
>>> While the mask proponents cry otherwise the facts are that the growth of covid-19 across the globe between those that wear masks and those who haven't are virtually identical with population density being more informative than any other measures. So let's not cry about "following the science" as a man told me yesterday.
>>>
>> MDs are merely human, no more no less:
>>
>> https://zukus.net/2021/01/31/st-peters-father-dies-in-hospital-parking-lot-after-family-says-hospital-refused-treatment-news-headlines/
>>
>> You might say MDs ought to know better. Good luck with that.
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> I took my wife down to the ER for a possible broken bone in her leg.

I'm surprised that you made the trip to ER! After all, you've implied
that doctors know no more about medicine than ordinary people. And
you've long touted your own superior medical knowledge, not to mention
your expertise about everything else in the world.

You're not losing faith in your abilities, are you?

--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

You do have your head lodged in your fundament don't you.

Compare California with Thailand which has about twice the population
of California.
Thailand - Masks Yes required by law subject to imprisonment
and/or fine for failure to comply
Cases/million - 269
Deaths/million - 1

California Masks ???
Cases/million - 83,736
Deaths/million - 1,035

--
Cheers,

John B.

[Tom Kunich]

I have showed you the actual research. So please explain to me how wearing masks is a medical issue? How many lives to you think that doctors have saved by wearing masks when in most countries they don't even use masks?

[Tom Kunich]

So you really do find it painful to be nothing more than a college teacher retired and without a single thing that you can point to and say. "I did this"? That should not be too surprising seeing as how you seem to think that you can ride a bicycle.

[John B.]

You have showed what actual research?
And, in what countries do doctors not wear masks?

Tom you have your head firmly stuck in your fundament - up your arse
in other words.

Or perhaps you don't, in which case you can explain to us why
California, with about half the population of Thailand has 311 times
as many cases per million and 1,000 times the number of deaths per
million than Thailand?

Tommy, you talk about "fake news" and yes, it does exist... and you
are a shining example of it!
--
Cheers,

John B.

[News 2021]

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 13:04:33 -0800, Tom Kunich scribed:

> I didn't know what I was talking
> about because I wasn't going with the flow.

Both parts have been obvious for a while.

> You and I are being absolutely inundated by propaganda lies
> that can destroy your life

It is called advertising and apparently we should be grateful as it makes
the capitalist system tic. shrug, I've ignored it for years and continued
to ride my 40 years old bicycle.

> Remember when I said that people were wearing masks on their bikes while
> riding? That can cause very serious lung damage.

Bullshit! All the masks I've ever had to wear were to prevent lung
damage. The worst was the CO2 breather, but I've had no trouble wearing a
full double respirator whilst riding my bicycle. The current Covid-19
masks here are fine to wear while active and it is certainy easy to fit
them before I ride to the local shops and back.

[Ralph Barone]

Yup. Sometimes you’re so focused on ensuring that A doesn’t happen that you
miss B just sauntering by you. Sometimes the corporate emphasis is on “Fill
in the form”, instead of “Ensure that the bad thing the form is meant to
catch is caught.” And sometimes shit just goes down that you never thought
could ever happen.

Being an engineer in a company where you still have some responsibility for
the asset decades after you’ve designed it works really well to keep your
ego in check.

[jbeattie]

This is why I'm so fond of statutes of limitation and repose.

-- Jay Beattie.

[John B.]

You know, it is very strange, all these defects in bridges and things
in California.

The company I worked for primarily undertook projects for the various
international oil companies doing business in Indonesia and I can't
remember a single job that they didn't check everything. I remember
one job where they even dug a trench across an access road to check
that we had laid down the 12 inches of compacted laterite and the 3
inches of crushed rock that the specs called for. They even specified
the type of paint and how thick each coat must be and hired "paint
engineers" to verify it. Gas pipelines had every weld x-rayed and so
on.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Well, perhaps better then being a famous liar.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Mon, 01 Feb 2021 07:29:10 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Sorry, another misspelled word. For "famous" read "infamous".
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 09:52:31 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> A corona virus is small, on the order of between 50 to 200
> nanometers depending on the specific type. This would be
> extremely difficult to mechanically filter from the air
> under the best possible conditions and a cloth mask is
> not a good condition.

N95 masks do mechanical filtering of larger particles, such as
aerosols and water droplets. However, at the virus level, they filter
using the electrostatic charge present in an electret formed from the
polypropylene mesh layer.

"Add an extra layer of protection to your face mask with filter media"
<https://www.airfilterusa.com/commercial-industrial/air-filter-media/face-mask-filter-media>
MERV 13 Filter Media uses a synthetic media
that is electrostatically charged, capturing
98% of airborne pollutants and fine particles
as small as 0.3 microns. Filtered contaminates
include pet dander, lint, fine dust, dust mites,
dirt, mold spores, pollen, smoke, harmful bacteria
and viruses.

SARS-CoV-2 and Potential Airborne Transmission
Updated Oct. 5, 2020
<https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/scientific-brief-sars-cov-2.html>
The principal mode by which people are infected
with SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19)
is through exposure to respiratory droplets
carrying infectious virus.
Translation: We are not being showered by with "dry" virus particles
but rather by water aerosols and droplets with virus particles inside.
Block these aerosols and droplets and we stop the viruses.
Unfortunately, the masks do nothing for contact transmission.


What I find odd is that you've repeatedly posted the same
misinformation. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish.
Repetition doesn't magically correct errors. I suggest you try
re-writing your press releases to include counter arguments and add
links to experts that share your opinions.

"Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting
Different Results"
<https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/03/23/same/>

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:30:22 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> So you really do find it painful to be nothing more than a
> college teacher retired and without a single thing that you
> can point to and say. "I did this"? That should not be too
> surprising seeing as how you seem to think that you can
> ride a bicycle.

Are you perhaps a believer in "publish or perish"? That's where those
who believe in "I did this" congregate. Teaching students, answering
their questions, directing their studies, and correcting their errors
is only of secondary importance behind making the college look
"productive" by performing research, publishing papers, writing books,
and attracting grants and donations. Is this the criteria by which
you judge teachers? If so, you're asking the wrong question. You
should point to your college teachers and ask "Why did you do this to
me"?

[John B.]

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:01:08 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:30:22 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So you really do find it painful to be nothing more than a
>> college teacher retired and without a single thing that you
>> can point to and say. "I did this"? That should not be too
>> surprising seeing as how you seem to think that you can
>> ride a bicycle.
>
>Are you perhaps a believer in "publish or perish"? That's where those
>who believe in "I did this" congregate. Teaching students, answering
>their questions, directing their studies, and correcting their errors
>is only of secondary importance behind making the college look
>"productive" by performing research, publishing papers, writing books,
>and attracting grants and donations. Is this the criteria by which
>you judge teachers? If so, you're asking the wrong question. You
>should point to your college teachers and ask "Why did you do this to
>me"?

"Your collage teachers"?
Tom never finished high school.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 01 Feb 2021 12:37:53 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>

Oh. I didn't know that. Even so, I don't have a problem with the
lack of a diploma. I worked for a chief engineer, and later worked
with another engineer, both of whom never graduated from college. Many
notables have done quite well without a diploma:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_autodidacts>
It would be nice if Tom knew something about college and college
educators, but I don't think it's really necessary. After all, most
of us free criticize politicians and officials, without ever having
been one. However, if college instructors didn't create Tom's
illusions of reality, who did? The military? Employers? Co-workers?
Methinks not. I'm beginning to suspect he did it to himself.

[Ralph Barone]

I’m a big fan of statutes of limitations and E&O insurance for the simple
fact that without it, an engineering (or law) career simply exposes you to
too much cumulative risk over a lifetime. As I say to new engineers, “Back
in school, if you got 86% of things right, they give you an A. Here, if you
only get 86% of things right, they fire you.” Even if you’re batting 990,
over a 30+ year career, that’s a lot of missed.

However, I’m grateful for the opportunity to SEE my stuff go wrong, so that
I can do the next job a little bit better.

[John B.]

On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 22:42:05 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>

I don't think it was the military. His stories of flying B-52 combat
missions and creeping around in a bombay is patently false. He even
claimed to have served in two bomb wings that never existed.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Sepp Ruf]

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 09:52:31 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>> A corona virus is small, on the order of between 50 to 200
>> nanometers depending on the specific type. This would be
>> extremely difficult to mechanically filter from the air
>> under the best possible conditions and a cloth mask is
>> not a good condition.

Microfleece masks were even shown to break down the sizes of exhaled
droplets and allow them to travel farther.

> N95 masks do mechanical filtering of larger particles, such as
> aerosols and water droplets. However, at the virus level, they filter
> using the electrostatic charge present in an electret formed from the
> polypropylene mesh layer.

On a reality level, lawyer politician-tyrants force the general public to
buy and wear N95/FFP2 masks on rainy supermarket parking lots (doubling as
bike parking,) as well as on unroofed, desolate bus or train stops. The
safest way to introduce their twisted minds to the concepts of electrostatic
charge, and of current, is to have them take a seat on the electric chair.

> "Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting
> Different Results"
> <https://quoteinvestigator.com/2017/03/23/same/>

If you aren't referring to lockdowns, you must be referring to Americans
trusting voting machines for 3 1/2 years before elections.


--
"I mount my winter tires early, it has positively kept away icy weather."

[Andre Jute]

Did you just not mention their control group, Tom, or didn't they have one? Why did they assume air flows only in straight lines? If they didn't, what steps did they take to ensure the air, which they assumed was contaminated, did not flow around the edge of the mask? Surely the proper way to do this experiment is with the contaminated animals in one room, the control group in another room, zero crossflow, and the test group in another room, zero connection except through the mask set into the partition. Hell, if the experimenters were poor, they could set this up in three cardboard boxes sealed with brown packing tape, of a size big enough to let the lovely little hammies breathe for long enough.
.
Andre Jute
Homeopathy. It's gotta be the coming thing in the faithful new age of Scientism, brought to you by the Prophet Elron (both puns intended) when proof will be the shortest route to the hangman's rope.

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 5:52:33 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> One of the odd things is to discover that MD's don't necessarily understand what science is and they are following rumor and myth. They ran a rather silly test in which they had adjoining cages of hamsters with one group infected with SARS-Cov-2 and the others not. They measured the percentage of non-infected hamsters that became infected. Then they place the material that masks are made of between another set of cages and measured the numbers of hamsters that subsequently became infected. Since a smaller number of hamsters because infected in the second case they presented this as "science" proving that masks work.
>
> Well, this was a rather ridiculous idea to begin with so why didn't they actually think about what they were doing? This experiment worked for the simple reason that the material reduced the flow of air between the cages or forces a more indirect route. This is absolutely nothing like the case of a person wearing a mask who has pressurized transfer of air both in and out.
>
> So exactly where was this science they were following?
>
> I have talked about how doctors in general are brighter than most of these so-called scientists designing and running tests like this, but they too can become propagandized into believing that a mask can have some sort of effect. We have that fool Fauci standing before a camera and saying that it would be advisable to wear two masks in tandem.
>

> A corona virus is small, on the order of between 50 to 200 nanometers depending on the specific type. This would be extremely difficult to mechanically filter from the air under the best possible conditions and a cloth mask is not a good condition.
>

[Tom Kunich]

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:01:16 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:30:22 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So you really do find it painful to be nothing more than a
> > college teacher retired and without a single thing that you
> > can point to and say. "I did this"? That should not be too
> > surprising seeing as how you seem to think that you can
> > ride a bicycle.
> Are you perhaps a believer in "publish or perish"? That's where those
> who believe in "I did this" congregate. Teaching students, answering
> their questions, directing their studies, and correcting their errors
> is only of secondary importance behind making the college look
> "productive" by performing research, publishing papers, writing books,
> and attracting grants and donations. Is this the criteria by which
> you judge teachers? If so, you're asking the wrong question. You
> should point to your college teachers and ask "Why did you do this to
> me"?

Frank became a teacher because he couldn't find a real job. That is where most college professors come from. When you have knowledge you can find a place to use that is productive.

[Tom Kunich]

Well, that never seemed to bother the Livermore and Berkeley Laboratories or NASA. People that have the knowledge are welcome anywhere. So, I see that you're in Thailand. I guess that shows that the only thing they wanted was your retirement funds.

[Tom Kunich]

I served at Larson AFB and March AFB. If I can't remember what wings those were that is just tough shit. Just because you can't stand being a nobody that has never made it above janitor and has to brag that he was the head janitor isn't my fault. Tell everyone here what the responsibilities of a crew chief were.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:07:03 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
<ra...@invalid.com> wrote:

>I’m a big fan of statutes of limitations and E&O insurance for the simple
>fact that without it, an engineering (or law) career simply exposes you to
>too much cumulative risk over a lifetime.

True. However, I accidentally may have found a solution to the
problem. When I did engineering for a salary, roughly from 1967(?) to
1983, and some consulting through 2002, I tended to work for small
companies with limited assets and limited profits. Such companies
don't look very attractive to attorneys bearing lawsuits. I also made
it a habit of reading the latest product liability horror stories in
the trade journals and carefully avoided making the same mistakes. Or,
I may just been lucky.

>As I say to new engineers, “Back
>in school, if you got 86% of things right, they give you an A. Here, if you
>only get 86% of things right, they fire you.” Even if you’re batting 990,
>over a 30+ year career, that’s a lot of missed.

I would tell them that the company runs on about 15% after tax profit.
That means that if you screw up more than 15% of the time, the company
loses money. I let them fill in the blanks. Despite my twisted
logic, it seems to get the point across.

>However, I’m grateful for the opportunity to SEE my stuff go wrong, so that
>I can do the next job a little bit better.

That would be nice, except that's not what I've seen. After starting
my own electronics consulting, radio service, and computer repair
business in 1983, almost all of my consulting work was fixing someone
else's problems. Often, the previous designer would simply disappear
while waiting to be laid off, so that they could collect unemployment
insurance. None were fired, but a few were sent to the companies
version of Siberian exile. One stole all the documentation to remove
the evidence of his incompetence. Of course, my instructions were to
"fix the problems but don't make any changes". In some cases, the
previous designer could have easily done the necessary damage control
if someone were available to point out the problem and offer a
workable solution. Other times, it was impossible, and the only fix
was a total redesign.

You might enjoy this one from about 3 years ago. The PCB wouldn't fit
inside the package, so the designer simply reduced the size and
voltage of all the electrolytic capacitors to fit the PCB. Management
was wondering why they had a 100% field failure rate after about a
month. When I suggested that the industrial designer and the
unofficial company aesthetics committee should considering altering
their futuristic package design, I was instantly fired, but re-hired
about one month later, when everyone else they showed the problem
offered the same solution.

[Tom Kunich]

Even if a virus is mechanically trapped it is only temporary. Exhaled breath pressure would force a virus out of the mask and these micro-droplets are so tiny that they immediately evaporate in normal air. The inventive minds of those who know nothing about biology come up with that electrostatic attraction of the virus to the mask when no other story can be invented. covid-19 spread all over the insides of medical facilities despite the common use of electrostatic air cleaners to freshen the air.

[Tom Kunich]

The places I was fired from seldom rehired me, thought the same people at new companies did. One company even followed me around and bought the companies I designed products for. That has to be pretty insulting. They didn't want to actually pay me what I was worth. And I only wanted a challenge designing new products. Eventually I caught on and simply wouldn't work anywhere that wouldn't pay me properly. That's how I ended up making a quarter million a year before they fired me for not promoting the idiot son of one of the board members. That was the place they offered my job to Charlie Button because he works for peanuts and he asked "What about Tom?" and when they said I was "laid off" he stood up and walked out. They were bankrupt in two months.

[Tom Kunich]

A full double respirator? So you're some physically damaged as well as mentally damaged fool that likes to talk on the Internet? Well somehow I'm just not surprised.

[Tom Kunich]

On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 4:05:52 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote:

Thankfully I was an R&D engineer and others took the product line over after I developed it so that I could move on to other challenges. The only responsibility I had was in making a product that actually worked. Not in making sure that all of the production was done properly and all the correct components were supplied to specification. This was especially difficult in the electromechanical lines. So I have a lot of respect for production engineers whose jobs were probably more important than the often simple development of a product. Such as the heart/lung machine.

[Tom Kunich]

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 3:33:45 AM UTC-8, Sepp Ruf wrote:

We trusted voting machines because they were manual counters that you put your own ballot through. In this last election they had nothing of the sort, they used an entirely new counting system. mail-in ballots, vote harvesting. For instance, even though I voted in person I didn't put my ballot through a counter but was told to poke it through a slot in a piece of luggage. What became of my ballot? In another case a damaged ballot was re-written by a Democrat and a Republican poll watcher. It was a vote for Trump and when it was inserted in the counter it showed a count for Biden. Both of the poll watchers filed affidavits to that effect and judges would not hear them on technicalities. This was literally hundreds of personally observed cases of direct fraud. and not one of them was heard by the courts. This had to go pretty damn deep for these sorts of things to happen. If they were only minor problems here or there or accidental mistakes why were they so intent on making sure that not even one of them were heard?

[Tom Kunich]

They had a control group and yes, there was a possible indirect path for the movement of SARS-Cov-2 between the cages. Hamsters don't get covid-19, but they can become infected. So you simply take the numbers of infected in both cases and compare them. This is a rather brain dead sort of test since you have to use PCR to test for positives and I think I said elsewhere, PCR is not a particularly good test. And they had no other means of testing at that time. SARS-Cov-2 has not been sequenced so you have to do that before anything. Then you have to be able to identify the precise difference between SARS-Cov-2 and EVERY OTHER corona virus in the world. In that cave where the original bat virus came from they identified some several thousand other corona viruses that didn't cause any illness and 5 that infected the miners and killed three of them. These did not spread through the air but only from direct contact with the bat feces.

Fauci's paying for Gain of Function research is what changed one of them into the pandemic. Mind you, this is not a very malevolent illness but the Democrats here have been able to multiply its fearsomeness a thousand fold and we can see the result of this. Any historian can tell you about the burning of the Reichstag in what, 1934? that brought Hitler to power. And we can see exactly the same response to what now appears to have been a planned action led by Antifa in DC. And the same sort of reaction of Biden turning into Joe the Dictator signing executive order after another to take total control of the country.

Why do you suppose that we haven't yet caught a glance at who is behind the thrown because it sure isn't that fool mumbling as he signs those EO's "I don't even know what's in this".

[AMuzi]

On 1/31/2021 6:11 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 4:05:52 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>> On 1/31/2021 1:30 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/31/2021 12:59 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> MDs are merely human, no more no less:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://zukus.net/2021/01/31/st-peters-father-dies-in-hospital-parking-lot-after-family-says-hospital-refused-treatment-news-headlines/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's bad to overgeneralize. MDs are highly educated and
>>>> trained in medicine, much more so than typical humans. Do
>>>> they make mistakes? Yes, occasionally - but I still wouldn't
>>>> want to pick a random human off the street to diagnose and
>>>> treat my heart attack.
>>>>
>>>> One might say "Bike mechanics are human, no more no less."
>>>> But despite the mistakes I've seen them make, I'd say they
>>>> are on average more competent at bike repair than most
>>>> people - even most MDs.
>>>>
>>>> Division of labor makes sense. It's a fundamental component
>>>> of civilization.
>>>>
>>>> (And I'm far too conservative to pretend we are all equal in
>>>> intelligence, training and skill.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with you.
>>>
>>> Ditto for licensed professional engineers:
>>>
>>> https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/10/extraordinary-oversight-failed-to-identify-issues-with-cracked-steel-beams-at-sfs-transbay-terminal/
>>>

>> Yup. Sometimes you’re so focused on ensuring that A doesn’t happen that you
>> miss B just sauntering by you. Sometimes the corporate emphasis is on “Fill
>> in the form†, instead of “Ensure that the bad thing the form is meant to
>> catch is caught.†And sometimes shit just goes down that you never thought

>> could ever happen.
>>
>> Being an engineer in a company where you still have some responsibility for

>> the asset decades after you’ve designed it works really well to keep your

>> ego in check.
>
> This is why I'm so fond of statutes of limitation and repose.
>
> -- Jay Beattie.
>
>
>
>

We agree. Infinite liability is destructive.

[AMuzi]

For the same reason that paper and lumber firms don't have
fires on their own land- they can't afford it. Public lands
burn.

[Andre Jute]

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:33:45 AM UTC, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>
> The safest way to introduce their [politician's] twisted minds to the concepts of electrostatic

> charge, and of current, is to have them take a seat on the electric chair.

.
Shhhh, Sepp. I like electrostatic speakers (QUAD ESL 63 in the walls between rooms, Stax for earphones) and I don't want them banned by pols who fear you'll strap them to the 5500V on my speakers. Here's an implied description of what happens when the bare elements I used when I had QUAD ESL (57) electrostats touch flesh:
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/73667
You might have to sign in but the tiny short story is free, mainly because it would be embarrassing to charge for it.

Andre Jute
Now watch the "engineers" do a double take.

[jbeattie]

WTF? https://www.opb.org/news/article/wildfire-severity-private-public-forests/ tinyurl.com/4w76lrdv tinyurl.com/1b5pgdix Private lands suffered huge losses over the last five years, and in fact, disproportionate losses compared to federal lands, which comprise the majority of forest in Oregon. Half the state is forest. https://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/rma/fia-topics/state-stats/Oregon/index.php

-- Jay Beattie.

[Frank Krygowski]

Nope.

I had long planned to teach college, ever since my classmates told me
"You should be a teacher. You explain this stuff so much better than
they do." But I thought it would be good to get more industrial
experience first.

I was working as a plant engineer when I applied to a nearby school to
teach evening courses part time, to get more teaching experience and
perhaps get a foot in the door. When I sent in my resume, the school
phoned and said they wanted to hire me immediately, full time. I took
the job.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Frank Krygowski]

On 1/31/2021 11:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> What I find odd is that you've repeatedly posted the same
> misinformation. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish.
> Repetition doesn't magically correct errors.

I've seen this behavior for years in this discussion group. COVID,
climate change and Trump's loss are current topics, but there have been
many others having nothing to do with cycling. Oddballs have taken crazy
positions and defended them tenaciously, usually by endless repetition
with nothing but the craziest sources as reference.

The psychology of it just seems weird. What kind of person latches onto
a fringe belief, rejects mountains of vetted and corroborated evidence
as "fake," and convinces himself that he is part of the tiny cabal that
knows the "real" truth? Why do they need this self-delusion? How do they
maintain their delusions when time after time, statement after statement
of theirs is proven wrong?

I visualize the psychological studies (there must be some) as peering
into their open skull and seeing a seething mass or worms.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

I suggest that if you were a mechanical engineer for NASA or Boeing that you wouldn't have decided to teach. A plant engineer his hardly the sort of job to get your blood boiling.

[Tom Kunich]

So, Mr. Plant Engineer, what do you know about medical research like my development of a Respiratory Gas Analyzer that would probably be applied to you someday as you get older and even less able to breath? Are you going to turn down the use of it because I designed it?

Why don't you explain why NASA is showing temperature charts that completely contradict the findings of the National Climate Assessment report?

If Trump lost honestly why were they shitting their pants and taking the law suits to judges that would turn them down on procedural grounds and not allow them to be heard in courts?

You and Jeff are the delusional duo.

[AMuzi]

>>>> Yup. Sometimes you’re so focused on ensuring that A doesn’t happen that you
>>>> miss B just sauntering by you. Sometimes the corporate emphasis is on “Fill

>>>> in the form†, instead of “Ensure that the bad thing the form is meant to
>>>> catch is caught.†And sometimes shit just goes down that you never thought

>>>> could ever happen.
>>>>
>>>> Being an engineer in a company where you still have some responsibility for

>>>> the asset decades after you’ve designed it works really well to keep your

>>>> ego in check.
>>>
>>> You know, it is very strange, all these defects in bridges and things
>>> in California.
>>>
>>> The company I worked for primarily undertook projects for the various
>>> international oil companies doing business in Indonesia and I can't
>>> remember a single job that they didn't check everything. I remember
>>> one job where they even dug a trench across an access road to check
>>> that we had laid down the 12 inches of compacted laterite and the 3
>>> inches of crushed rock that the specs called for. They even specified
>>> the type of paint and how thick each coat must be and hired "paint
>>> engineers" to verify it. Gas pipelines had every weld x-rayed and so
>>> on.
>>>
>> For the same reason that paper and lumber firms don't have
>> fires on their own land- they can't afford it. Public lands
>> burn.
>> --
>
> WTF? https://www.opb.org/news/article/wildfire-severity-private-public-forests/ tinyurl.com/4w76lrdv tinyurl.com/1b5pgdix Private lands suffered huge losses over the last five years, and in fact, disproportionate losses compared to federal lands, which comprise the majority of forest in Oregon. Half the state is forest. https://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/rma/fia-topics/state-stats/Oregon/index.php
>
> -- Jay Beattie.
>
>
>

That is news. Thanks.

[Ralph Barone]

Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:07:03 +0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
> <ra...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m a big fan of statutes of limitations and E&O insurance for the simple
>> fact that without it, an engineering (or law) career simply exposes you to
>> too much cumulative risk over a lifetime.
>
> True. However, I accidentally may have found a solution to the
> problem. When I did engineering for a salary, roughly from 1967(?) to
> 1983, and some consulting through 2002, I tended to work for small
> companies with limited assets and limited profits. Such companies
> don't look very attractive to attorneys bearing lawsuits. I also made
> it a habit of reading the latest product liability horror stories in
> the trade journals and carefully avoided making the same mistakes. Or,
> I may just been lucky.
>
>> As I say to new engineers, “Back
>> in school, if you got 86% of things right, they give you an A. Here, if you
>> only get 86% of things right, they fire you.” Even if you’re batting 990,
>> over a 30+ year career, that’s a lot of missed.
>
> I would tell them that the company runs on about 15% after tax profit.
> That means that if you screw up more than 15% of the time, the company
> loses money. I let them fill in the blanks. Despite my twisted
> logic, it seems to get the point across.
>

Hey! Our independent calculations agree to within 1%. That’s good
validation.

>> However, I’m grateful for the opportunity to SEE my stuff go wrong, so that
>> I can do the next job a little bit better.
>
> That would be nice, except that's not what I've seen. After starting
> my own electronics consulting, radio service, and computer repair
> business in 1983, almost all of my consulting work was fixing someone
> else's problems. Often, the previous designer would simply disappear
> while waiting to be laid off, so that they could collect unemployment
> insurance. None were fired, but a few were sent to the companies
> version of Siberian exile. One stole all the documentation to remove
> the evidence of his incompetence. Of course, my instructions were to
> "fix the problems but don't make any changes". In some cases, the
> previous designer could have easily done the necessary damage control
> if someone were available to point out the problem and offer a
> workable solution. Other times, it was impossible, and the only fix
> was a total redesign.
>
> You might enjoy this one from about 3 years ago. The PCB wouldn't fit
> inside the package, so the designer simply reduced the size and
> voltage of all the electrolytic capacitors to fit the PCB. Management
> was wondering why they had a 100% field failure rate after about a
> month. When I suggested that the industrial designer and the
> unofficial company aesthetics committee should considering altering
> their futuristic package design, I was instantly fired, but re-hired
> about one month later, when everyone else they showed the problem
> offered the same solution.
>

Eventually, people figure out that it’s pretty hard to cheat the laws of
physics.

[Radey Shouman]

Plant engineers have a lot of responsibility, although I suspect the
downside of possible blame far outweighs the upside of possible credit.
Sort of like IT.

My dad was a mechanical engineer at Boeing, way back before they built
planes that did the crashing for you. He spent most of his career as a
teacher.

[John B.]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:40:48 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

The question would seem to be, "how do you know"?
After all you couldn't even complete high school never mind attending
collage and since you have no personal knowledge your discourse is
akin to sitting in the road and baying at the moon.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

Well, you see Frank, when one "knows the truth" one can resist the
pressures of the "Fake News" fraternity who are actually the tool of
the Illigentry who are in the process of taking over the world.

I could go on but I'm not sure that you have yet been cleared for the
complete truth.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:43:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

<cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:37:57 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:01:08 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:30:22 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> ><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> So you really do find it painful to be nothing more than a
>> >> college teacher retired and without a single thing that you
>> >> can point to and say. "I did this"? That should not be too
>> >> surprising seeing as how you seem to think that you can
>> >> ride a bicycle.
>> >
>> >Are you perhaps a believer in "publish or perish"? That's where those
>> >who believe in "I did this" congregate. Teaching students, answering
>> >their questions, directing their studies, and correcting their errors
>> >is only of secondary importance behind making the college look
>> >"productive" by performing research, publishing papers, writing books,
>> >and attracting grants and donations. Is this the criteria by which
>> >you judge teachers? If so, you're asking the wrong question. You
>> >should point to your college teachers and ask "Why did you do this to
>> >me"?
>> "Your collage teachers"?
>> Tom never finished high school.
>
>Well, that never seemed to bother the Livermore and Berkeley Laboratories or NASA. People that have the knowledge are welcome anywhere. So, I see that you're in Thailand. I guess that shows that the only thing they wanted was your retirement funds.

Well, as I previously said, "Tom never finished high school" and of
course as Tom says, "People that have the knowledge are welcome
anywhere" and you know he is right.

After all finding someone who is reliable and sweeps in the corners
and under the table is getting rather difficult.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[John B.]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:48:27 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

Tommy, you are the one that bragged about serving in this wing and
that wing... neither of which ever existed.

As for the duties of a crew chief? Well when I served in that capacity
it was to do all airframe and engine maintenance on an aircraft and to
schedule all other work. But as the A.F. converted to a "Specialized
Maintenance System" in the late 1950's I doubt that you ever saw a
real "crew chief".

But Tommy, you state that "I served at Larson AFB and March AFB" but
you don't mention Anderson AFB. Did you leave that out because you
didn't serve there?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/1/2021 2:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:18:59 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/31/2021 11:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>
>>> What I find odd is that you've repeatedly posted the same
>>> misinformation. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish.
>>> Repetition doesn't magically correct errors.
>> I've seen this behavior for years in this discussion group. COVID,
>> climate change and Trump's loss are current topics, but there have been
>> many others having nothing to do with cycling. Oddballs have taken crazy
>> positions and defended them tenaciously, usually by endless repetition
>> with nothing but the craziest sources as reference.
>>
>> The psychology of it just seems weird. What kind of person latches onto
>> a fringe belief, rejects mountains of vetted and corroborated evidence
>> as "fake," and convinces himself that he is part of the tiny cabal that
>> knows the "real" truth? Why do they need this self-delusion? How do they
>> maintain their delusions when time after time, statement after statement
>> of theirs is proven wrong?
>>
>> I visualize the psychological studies (there must be some) as peering
>> into their open skull and seeing a seething mass or worms.
>
> So, Mr. Plant Engineer, what do you know about medical research like my development of a Respiratory Gas Analyzer that would probably be applied to you someday as you get older and even less able to breath? Are you going to turn down the use of it because I designed it?

Sure you did, Tom. Sure you did. And it's a very nice Respiratory Gas
Analyzer, too!

Now go take your medicine like a good boy.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

Boeing where?

I remember when Boeing Seattle had a big shutdown. It must have been
in the late 1960's or early '70's and you used to read articles in the
paper about Boeing Engineers driving taxis and such.
I asked somebody about the rest of the work force and whoever I was
talking to said, "well, the Machinists and Welders all moved to L.A.
and went to work for Lockheed".
--
Cheers,

John B.

[News 2021]

On Mon, 01 Feb 2021 09:16:59 -0800, Tom Kunich scribed:

Different 'respirator'. Perhaps you are thinking of resuscitation
machines. I've never needed one of those. Hint,you lack of experience is
showing.

[Radey Shouman]

Seattle.

> I remember when Boeing Seattle had a big shutdown. It must have been
> in the late 1960's or early '70's and you used to read articles in the
> paper about Boeing Engineers driving taxis and such.
> I asked somebody about the rest of the work force and whoever I was
> talking to said, "well, the Machinists and Welders all moved to L.A.
> and went to work for Lockheed".

Boeing was a huge part of the local economy, so when they lost a
contract or three employment took a header.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 14:18:54 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/31/2021 11:46 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>> What I find odd is that you've repeatedly posted the same
>> misinformation. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish.
>> Repetition doesn't magically correct errors.

>I've seen this behavior for years in this discussion group. COVID,
>climate change and Trump's loss are current topics, but there have been
>many others having nothing to do with cycling. Oddballs have taken crazy
>positions and defended them tenaciously, usually by endless repetition
>with nothing but the craziest sources as reference.

While the Republican's are reacting badly to Trump's electoral loss,
please note that the Democrat's did the same when Hillary Clinton also
lost the electoral vote in 2016. While her disappointed supporters
did not go so far as to occupy the US Capitol building, I suspect they
might have done so had Hillary supported such an action.

The endless repetition and tenacious defense of unsupportable
positions is also nothing new. Go to any political "rally" during the
1960's Vietnam war protest era and you'll see exactly the same
methodology. Some leader arrives to whip up the crowd to a frenzy by
pushing every button and yelling every chant that gets the crowd's
attention. Once agitated into a frenzy, it's a simple matter to
direct the mob toward a suitable target and suggest that they destroy
it. Overturn a car, burn a police station, occupy the capitol
building, even kill a few officials, it all starts by endless
repetition of catch phrases.

I rather doubt that would happen in R.B.T., but it's possible. I've
read discussions over mandatory helmet laws, carbon fiber failures,
and bike lane construction that could easily be converted into a
virtual riot. All that's needed are few missing ingredients, which in
the interest of keeping the peace, I won't itemize.

Also, don't blame the "craziest sources as reference". People believe
what they want to believe. I learned that early in college, when as a
member of the debating (forensic) debating squad, we were routinely
asked to take an unpopular or opposing position and defend it as if we
were true believers. It's not enough to be able to backup your own
beliefs. One must know as much, or more about the opposition. That's
the problem with tenacious defenders of irrational positions. All the
endless repetition does is occupy the supporters time with diversions
of useless repetitious behavior, leaving no time to learn anything
new. Repetition also tends to encourage group conformity, but that's
a minor problem compared to blocking out critical thinking.

>The psychology of it just seems weird. What kind of person latches onto
>a fringe belief, rejects mountains of vetted and corroborated evidence
>as "fake," and convinces himself that he is part of the tiny cabal that
>knows the "real" truth?

Big mistake. "What kind of person" is just attaching a label onto
someone who thinks differently. In the distant past, they were
branded heretics. During the 1960's, they were protesters. Two
months ago, they were rioters. Each of these labels carries a boat
load of connotations and inferences, most of which mean nothing unless
one knows what motivated these people. I do this by with a litmus
test consisting of a few simple questions:
1. What problem(s) are they trying to solve?
2. What motivates them?
3. What do they fear most?
4. Are they able and/or willing to learn and change?
These are the basics of motivational research, which is normally
applied to understanding why consumers buy certain products, but is
equally applicable to why they buy into cults, fringe politics, and
miraculous medical solutions. It also works for understanding
employees and managers. I dive into this swamp if you want, but right
now, I don't have the time or fortitude.

>Why do they need this self-delusion? How do they
>maintain their delusions when time after time, statement after statement
>of theirs is proven wrong?

Because it usually solves or hides a more serious problem. A common
one is a young person who thinks they are ugly or unattractive.
Instead of doing their best with what they have, they build a smoke
screen behind a cult, mob, or organization that declares it's ok to be
ugly. If someone tries to assault their beliefs in the cult, mob, or
organization, it will be seen as an assault on their shield from the
cruel world and usually result in a violent reaction. Some of this
may have inspired some of the marginalized rioters in Washington DC to
become part of the mainstream.

>I visualize the psychological studies (there must be some) as peering
>into their open skull and seeing a seething mass or worms.

No, It's nothing like that. That would be like trying to analyze and
improve the taste of minestrone soup by looking at the entire soup
pot. It's much more effective to separate the ingredients
individually and inspect them individually. That's why I suggested 4
simple questions, not one big question like "what's wrong with this
person"?

A basic assumption is that nobody does anything without a reason. You
may not agree with the reason, but as long as they hold and defend
that reason, they will continue to act much in the same way. When you
understand that reason, only then can fix things.

Enough psychology for one evening. Back to polishing brass camping
stoves.

--
Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

[AMuzi]

nice post.
RBT cannot become a mob. Having been amid such a crowd which
changed to a mob, I can tell you it is an harrowing
experience and ought to be avoided. There's a very good
reason that 'mob action' and 'incitement' used to be
considered serious crimes.

In the present instance, FBI has video showing the bomb at
RNC tnen later DNC (both 'actual destructive devices') were
placed around 8pm the night before (guy in hoodie- reward
offered). Capitol Police and FBI say they knew about plans
by agitators to incite violence weeks before.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/27/politics/capitol-police-union/index.html

And yet we're amid a 'trial' charging that such incitement
began at 2pm despite the first bomb being discovered at noon.

[Tom Kunich]

Well, this person who you seem to think is so dumb is sitting on a million dollars. What do you have fatso?

[Tom Kunich]

[Tom Kunich]

My resume and my recommendations are on LinkedIn so you can look them up anytime you like. That is a mere 3 pages of so of a 14 page resume that used to go into great detail. So you don't believe me, you can always look it up and prove me a liar.

[Tom Kunich]

Except for the bullshit you feel obliged to throw out in defense of John or Frank I respect your intellect and ability to summarize problems. Frank is a leftist and I have absolutely no respect for a leftist who taught his Marxist ideas to his pupils. John is just a silly fool.

1. According to the FBI, the planning for the capital invasion occurred for several days before Biden's being sworn in and appears to be planned by Antifa. The brown shirts did this by committing the burning of the Reichstag (Germany's Parliament) which brought Hitler to power in the same manner that Biden is acting. We now have an uncountable number of National Guard in DC. 23 states have send so many soldiers to DC, that even the leftist Congressmen are saying that they present the largest danger to Democracy along with the police.

2. In 1971 a leftist Vietnam War Protestor (Remember that at this time the Vietnamese War was almost entirely by the South Vietnamese Army with only American military advisors) detonated a bomb inside of the Congress in a rest room that damaged a dozen rooms in that place. Not only was this NOT treated as a great crime but President Bill Clinton gave that woman perpetrator a full Presidential Pardon on his last day in office. That same woman is presently one of the driving forces behind the BLM.

Those who forget history or never learn it are doomed to repeat it.

[John B.]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:13:34 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

Goodness Tommy; and only a few days ago you were bragging about having
something like $124,000 in investments that were proof against
inflation and today you got a million?

Whatch been doin? Robbing banks?
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Sir Ridesalot]

Sitting on a million dollars but can't afford groceries? Sure. Got some swamp land you want to sell too?

Cheers

[John B.]

Nope, no swamps but I know a guy that has a bridge for sale...
somewhere down there in New York, I believe.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Sir Ridesalot]

I was referring to Tom with him sitting on one million dollars yet not being able to afford groceries. It was him I was asking if he had swamp land he was hoping to sell. LOL

Cheers

[Jeff Liebermann]

You might want to check with your banker, broker or money changer as
to the value of your million dollars. Do they look like these?
<https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=zimbabwe+million+dollars>

What I find interesting is not that you would lie about sitting on a
million dollars, but rather that you would frame the statement in a
manner that doesn't specifically indicate that you have $1 million
dollars. Instead, you write about "sitting" in it, as if it were a
padded chair stuffed full of large banknotes. I can't even be sure
that you are "this person" whom you mention in your posting.

Also, I don't recall anyone calling you "dumb". You surely must have
some level of intelligence to continue this farce for so long and with
amazing consistency. Why would you think that someone might call you
"dumb"? Did you do something that might suggest such a label?

> What do you have fatso?

I can't speak for John B., but I would have replied with "none of thy
business". Granted, money is important and occasionally a good
indicator of personal success. However, when I see money used as an
answer to dishonesty, compensation for incompetence, or simply having
made a few too many mistakes, I start to wonder about the real value
of the person waving the money around. Fortunately, this is not your
current problem. Too much money is a problem that many of us,
including you, would not mind having. Still, it makes me wonder why
you have suddenly made it an issue.

[Frank Krygowski]

On 2/2/2021 1:34 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 14:18:54 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
>> I've seen this behavior for years in this discussion group. COVID,
>> climate change and Trump's loss are current topics, but there have been
>> many others having nothing to do with cycling. Oddballs have taken crazy
>> positions and defended them tenaciously, usually by endless repetition
>> with nothing but the craziest sources as reference.
>
> While the Republican's are reacting badly to Trump's electoral loss,
> please note that the Democrat's did the same when Hillary Clinton also
> lost the electoral vote in 2016. While her disappointed supporters
> did not go so far as to occupy the US Capitol building, I suspect they
> might have done so had Hillary supported such an action.

I think it's a big stretch to equate the worst fringe of 2016 Democrats
with the worst fringe of 2020 Republicans. Despite your "what if,"
Hillary Clinton did NOT try to invalidate the election. Leftist crazies
did NOT attack the Capitol. The general tone was not "We have to find
the fraud!!! We have to stop the electoral college!!!" Instead it was
"Here's what Clinton's campaign did wrong."

(I talked to some disappointed Democrats back then. I found one woman
who sobbed "The ONLY reason Hillary lost was because she is a WOMAN!!"
But the men and women she was talking to kindly and gently told her she
was nuts.)

> The endless repetition and tenacious defense of unsupportable
> positions is also nothing new.

Of course it's not.

> Go to any political "rally" during the
> 1960's Vietnam war protest era and you'll see exactly the same
> methodology. Some leader arrives to whip up the crowd to a frenzy by
> pushing every button and yelling every chant that gets the crowd's
> attention. Once agitated into a frenzy, it's a simple matter to
> direct the mob toward a suitable target and suggest that they destroy
> it. Overturn a car, burn a police station, occupy the capitol
> building, even kill a few officials, it all starts by endless
> repetition of catch phrases.

Yes, and I'm not saying those mobs were any better than today's Proud
Boys. That does not absolve the Proud Boys and their ilk.

> I rather doubt that would happen in R.B.T., but it's possible. I've
> read discussions over mandatory helmet laws, carbon fiber failures,
> and bike lane construction that could easily be converted into a
> virtual riot. All that's needed are few missing ingredients, which in
> the interest of keeping the peace, I won't itemize.

Hmm. That "could be" seems amazingly hypothetical to me.

Yes, some people get very interested and very passionate about a wide
variety of issues. But I don't recall anyone claiming that bike helmet
promoters eat children.

> Also, don't blame the "craziest sources as reference". People believe
> what they want to believe.

That may be true, but that doesn't mean there are no facts that are
true, and no other "facts" that are false. Are we really supposed to say
the Flat Earth Society must never be offended?

Some issues are knotty, fuzzy, and dependent on philosophy or religious
beliefs. But for many of the issues the fringes debate, there is an
objective reality. (For example, there were not tens of millions of
fraudulent votes, and for example lots of people do enter the U.S.
illegally.) Please don't say that objective reality doesn't count.

>> The psychology of it just seems weird. What kind of person latches onto
>> a fringe belief, rejects mountains of vetted and corroborated evidence
>> as "fake," and convinces himself that he is part of the tiny cabal that
>> knows the "real" truth?
>
> Big mistake. "What kind of person" is just attaching a label onto
> someone who thinks differently.

It certainly is attaching a label, and deliberately so. I cannot believe
everyone is equally logical, equally intelligent, equally accepting of
reality. There are times when "thinking differently" means being
partially or entirely insane.

> In the distant past, they were
> branded heretics. During the 1960's, they were protesters. Two
> months ago, they were rioters. Each of these labels carries a boat
> load of connotations and inferences, most of which mean nothing unless
> one knows what motivated these people.

OK, there's a valid point in there. I think the best example may be the
American revolution. The "patriots" were by no means angels, and it is
not difficult to argue against some of their positions or tactics. Had
they lost, they might now be derided as traitors and murderers. So
people on different sides of an issue do judge people differently.

But I think it's not impossible to distinguish between "protestors" and
"rioters." It's certainly easy to find online discussions of that
difference. But see below.*

> I do this by with a litmus
> test consisting of a few simple questions:
> 1. What problem(s) are they trying to solve?
> 2. What motivates them?
> 3. What do they fear most?
> 4. Are they able and/or willing to learn and change?

* Here, you lose me. If ten people overturn a police car and set it
afire, it doesn't matter if they are motivated to do it to protest
police brutality seven states away. They are not solving a problem, and
it doesn't matter much if they "learn" and say they are sorry. They
committed a crime.

The same applies to people who smash their way into the Capitol
building, kill police officers, steal government property and try to
halt a process specified in our Constitution. Their motivation may be to
"stop the steal," but that does not justify their behavior.

Both groups' behavior is illegal and just wrong. But their delusions are
not equal. For example, I've never heard an extreme leftist claim
policemen barbecue babies. The extreme right seems to have a lot more
craziness in its motivations.

>> Why do they need this self-delusion? How do they
>> maintain their delusions when time after time, statement after statement
>> of theirs is proven wrong?
>
> Because it usually solves or hides a more serious problem. A common
> one is a young person who thinks they are ugly or unattractive.
> Instead of doing their best with what they have, they build a smoke
> screen behind a cult, mob, or organization that declares it's ok to be
> ugly. If someone tries to assault their beliefs in the cult, mob, or
> organization, it will be seen as an assault on their shield from the
> cruel world and usually result in a violent reaction. Some of this
> may have inspired some of the marginalized rioters in Washington DC to
> become part of the mainstream.

That makes some sense to me. That's the sort of thing I was wondering about.

--
- Frank Krygowski

[John B.]

On Tue, 02 Feb 2021 18:34:03 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

I'm not sure of the sequence on the posts but I think his "million
dollar" post was in response to either I or Frank commenting that we
had sufficient funds to allow us to live in a manner that we had
become accustomed to for the rest of our life.

Which is certainly true in my case and I'm fairly sure is in Frank's.

I can only assume that he doesn't have sufficient funds to live in a
manner that he is satisfied with which says a great deal about him.I
would also question whether someone so complains about the cost of
groceries actually has a million dollars.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Wed, 03 Feb 2021 13:45:35 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>I would also question whether someone so complains about the cost of
>groceries actually has a million dollars.

Chuckle. That's one of the mysteries of wealthy people. I do
computer work for a few people that seem to be in excellent financial
condition. Yet, they are constantly late at paying my invoices and
are always complaining about my exorbitant charges. Over the years,
it has almost become a ritual for me to demand payment for a previous
unpaid invoice before I start on a new project or repair. For a time,
I suspected that it might be that they use a billing service to deal
with their payables. There was a time when some were late because
client simply forgot to reply to the billing service that a statement
was acceptable and that they had permission to cut the checks. When I
mentioned the problem to a lady who worked in billing for a major
public utility, she indicated it was much the same with about half of
the utility's wealthy customers. She also suspected that a
substantial percentage of their billing complaints originated from
wealthy customers.

I just remembered a rather odd service call. The customer owned a
rather large house with probably the best view of the hills and
valleys in the area. He also had several cellular phone sites on the
property. I was there to untangle his computah network so that his
band could start recording. A few minutes after I arrived, all the
lights went out and multiple generators kicked in. I assumed there
was a power outage, but then noticed that the neighbors still had
power. A phone call to PG&E (the power utility) determined that he
hadn't paid the electric bill for several months. I don't recall why
he didn't pay, but I do recall that the reconnect fee was rather
large.

Another problem I have with wealthy clients is that they always haggle
over the bill. No matter what I quote, even if it's the ultimate
bargain, it's always too much. Oddly, they haggle the most over the
least expensive items, and ignore the really expensive stuff. When it
becomes obvious that they need to spend a substantial amount of money
on something, I never get an argument.

I also get some interesting statements from wealthy customers. One
day, all the stock market indexes decided to crash. I was working
that day for a rather wealthy customer. He didn't seem seriously
worried about the situation but was constantly being interrupted by
business associates and brokers calling in varying levels of panic. At
one point, I overheard that his stock holdings in some company had
just dropped in value many millions of dollars. I stupidly asked if I
should stop working since he might not be able to pay my bill. He
laughed and mentioned that it was not a problem because "he was not
using that money at this time". Yes, rich people are different.

One of the common observations about wealth is that it's easier to
make money than to keep it. I can confirm that this is quite true.
About 15 years ago, I sold a rental house for about $600,000. Not
quite $1 million but close enough. My bank account balance looked
really good and I did not hesitate to show it off to a few prospective
ladyfriends, which produced some overnight changes in attitude.
However, after I paid the bills held in escrow, liens, fees,
commissions, loans, capital gains tax, federal income tax, state
income tax, hospital bills, doctors bills, etc, etc, etc... the good
times were over. It was fun being wealthy for a few weeks, but it
didn't last. Oh well.

It's midnight and time to kill the computer.

[John B.]

On Wed, 03 Feb 2021 00:09:59 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
wrote:

Interesting. I was born and brought up in a small New England town
where probably the worst thing one could do is NOT pay ones bills. Not
because someone would take you to court but word would get around and
your credit at the local gas station would dry up, not, of course
nothing so crass as saying that you didn't pay your bills but rather
that the station owner was "a bit short and would really prefer cash
from here on". Your wife wouldn't get invited to the lady's coffee
klatches and so on. In some cases people would admonish their kids not
to play with your kids, I can remember my mother telling me "Don't
play with those kids, they are on the town". In this case "on the
town" meant that they were getting some sort of assistance from the
town government, which labeled them, not so much as being poor, but
rather that they were too lazy to work.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[Frank Krygowski]

I know and have known quite a few wealthy people - for example, the kind
of people who add indoor swimming pools to their houses.

I've never known a wealthy person who seemed as constantly miserable as
Tom. Certainly, I've never known a wealthy person who complained about
how terrible his living area was, how expensive his groceries were, etc.


--
- Frank Krygowski

[Tom Kunich]

If I said that why didn't you quote it?

[Tom Kunich]

Jeff, are you saying that despite your claims to the opposite that you were never financially successful?

[Tom Kunich]

Frank, one of your really calm Democrats actually BOMBED Congress in 1971 destroying or damaging a dozen rooms there and your hero Bill Clinton (I did not have sex with that woman - remember) gave her a full pardon. She is now one of the chief managers of BLM that has burned down city after city because you think that they are having "mostly peaceful protests". It is absolutely impossible for you to utter one word of truth isn't it? People invading the Halls of Congress in case you didn't know it, are going into the PLACE THEY OWN. Setting a bomb off there in an attempt to actually kill Republican members of Congress is no sort of insurrection on your part.

[Tom Kunich]

Frank, you're the one that is so miserable that you have to lie about everything. You tell us about everything you know totally opposite the actual facts. What sort of happy person does that? My whole life has been about saving people's lives and your entire life is about making that of others as horrible as possible. It doesn't work on me and that is why you are so miserable. Like Marxist you are a horrible racist that hates anyone in the lower classes and you try to displace that anger of Trump making their lives better by lie after lie after lie.

[John B.]

On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 11:31:59 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich

>Frank, you're the one that is so miserable that you have to lie about everything. You tell us about everything you know totally opposite the actual acts. What sort of happy person does that? My whole life has been about saving people's lives and your entire life is about making that of others as horrible as possible. It doesn't work on me and that is why you are so miserable. Like Marxist you are a horrible racist that hates anyone in the lower classes and you try to displace that anger of Trump making their lives better by lie after lie after lie.


Hmmm... your whole life has been...

Well Tommy, you must have kept your "whole life" pretty well hidden as
what you have displayed on this site, and others, is that of an
arrogant arse hole who spouts lies and improbably stories about how
wonderful he is.
--
Cheers,

John B.

[News 2021]

On Wed, 03 Feb 2021 11:31:59 -0800, Tom Kunich scribed:

Like Marxist you are a horrible racist that
> hates anyone in the lower classes

Naah, I just dislike people who are wilfully dumb and ignorant. how old
do you claim to be little boy? Swatting them is fun.

[John B.]

On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 23:55:27 -0000 (UTC), News 2021 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

From his Internet posts Tom was born in 1944 and didn't finish high
school, and instead enlisted in the Air Force and apparently served a
4 year enlistment which would mean he was discharged, as an apprentice
level airman, at about the age of 22 years. Whereupon he has, without
further education, became an expert in practically everything.

As an aside there are many posts dating back 20, or so, years stating
"Tom Kunich is an Ass".
--
Cheers,

John B.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Wednesday, February 3, 2021 at 9:03:00 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Feb 2021 23:55:27 -0000 (UTC), News 2021 <new...@woa.com.au>
> wrote:
> >On Wed, 03 Feb 2021 11:31:59 -0800, Tom Kunich scribed:
> >
> >Like Marxist you are a horrible racist that
> >> hates anyone in the lower classes
> >
> >Naah, I just dislike people who are wilfully dumb and ignorant. how old
> >do you claim to be little boy? Swatting them is fun.
> From his Internet posts Tom was born in 1944 and didn't finish high
> school, and instead enlisted in the Air Force and apparently served a
> 4 year enlistment which would mean he was discharged, as an apprentice
> level airman, at about the age of 22 years. Whereupon he has, without
> further education, became an expert in practically everything.

Yes, Tommy can do it all, from designing ASICs without knowing VHDL (or even knowing what VHDL actually is), to shooting a quarter out of someones fingers at 100 yards with a pistol, to being able to determine the condition of a dirt road under a jungle canopy by looking out of the bombay doors of a B52 at one mile up, to working at livermore labs and nasa - even though neither are listed on his resume, to training with power - without using a power meter! He's even listed with the CDC as a researcher, and was part of the critical design team for the test equipment used for blood-born pathogens! The list goes on, and on, and on, and on.....

>
> As an aside there are many posts dating back 20, or so, years stating
> "Tom Kunich is an Ass".
> --

Someone here recently said we should be nicer to him, since his aggression was likely a result of his head injury. All we need to do is look at his activity here pre-concussion to see he's been an asshole his whole life.

[News 2021]

On Thu, 04 Feb 2021 08:53:01 -0800, funkma...@hotmail.com scribed:

Well he has boasted about being that repeatedly. He continually recounts
stories of his shouting over named people.

[Tom Kunich]

Tell us flunkmaster, when did I brag about shouting over anyone?

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Pay attention, sparky. I didn't make that comment, News 2021 did. And if you were even half the computer science expert you claim you are, you'd be able to tell we aren't the same person.

[Tom Kunich]

As a matter of fact it isn't at all clear that you're not the same person, you both talk a whole lot about things you know nothing about.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

ok, so we agree that you aren't half the computer science expert you claim to be, and the fact that _you_ attempt to denigrate someone for 'talking a whole lot about things you know nothing about'....beyond laughable. Tell us again what VHDL means? or how there was no recession before Obama took office? or how the US never bombed cambodia? or how you're a registered researcher with the CDC? yeah, a real pillar of credibility, you are...

[Tom Kunich]

Really? Tell me what you know about high density logic and what that term means?

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Wow....just...wow.
It's hard to understand why some people seem to actually _try_ to embarrass themselves. Here it it again, Sparky: VHDL is Virtual Hardware Definition Language. It was codified by IEEE 1164 in 1993. You did this the last time I mentioned it too:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Yezk3bAfaDg/m/wb9yFwDvDAAJ

So, let's have another chat about 'talking a whole lot about things you know nothing about". You can start by providing _any_ reference that says VHDL 'very high density logic'.

What fucking twit.

[Tom Kunich]

VHDL is very high density logic and if you are talking about Very High-level Design Language you say so and don't try to fool people with acronyms that are most commonly used for something else. Am I suppose to be impressed that you know a software term when I've written software in virtually all of the languages used in the western world? I don't need a language that does little more than document what you're going to so since the best method is to properly document your software with comments in the software itself. When you are trouble shooting software errors you do so in the language itself and not look at some other sort of notes.

Look little boy, you have made it clear that you're a nothing going nowhere. I suggest you not hurry along your long career of failures and actually make at least some attempt to learn something.

[Radey Shouman]

VHDL is a language used to describe hardware, eg FPGA or ASIC, and of
course simulations. If it ever meant "very high density logic" it was
long before I was paying attention.

Life is a lot more relaxing if, when you find yourself in a hole, you
stop digging.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 4:25:40 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> VHDL is very high density logic

No, stupid, it isn't. VHDL is shorthand for VHSIC-HDL - Very High Speed Integrated Circuit Hardware Description Language. Defined and codified as such by IEEE 1164.

> and if you are talking about Very High-level Design Language you say so

Because VHDL is _not_ "very high-level design language". In fact, there is no such thing as "very high level design language". Go ahead, google it. I dare you. The closest you get is HLD (which is _not_ VHDL)

> and don't try to fool people with acronyms that are most commonly used for something else.

VHDL isn't used for anything else besides VHSIC-HDL. If you think it is, point to a link that defines as something else. Otherwise, you're only proving your almost unimaginable stupidity.

>Am I suppose to be impressed that you know a software term when I've written software in virtually all of the languages used in the western world?

Obviously you haven't, otherwise you'd know that VHDL is still commonly used in ASIC design.

> I don't need a language that does little more than document what you're going to so since the best method is to properly document your software with comments in the software itself.

If you still think that's what VHDL does, not only are you completely ignorant, but you've proven you're _Willfully_ ignorant.

> When you are trouble shooting software errors you do so in the language itself and not look at some other sort of notes.

Guess what, sparky, you make notes and comments in VHDL just like you do in any language. You make headers, libraries, and compile the code to a target.

> Look little boy, you have made it clear that you're a nothing going nowhere.

I'm still gainfully employed, at the same company for ten years now. You can't hold a job to save your life because no one can stand your arrogant bullshit.

> I suggest you not hurry along your long career of failures and actually make at least some attempt to learn something.

At least I actually learned VHDL and used it successfully during the nearly decade I worked for a telecommuncations division of HP. ( and yes, stupid, it's still an actively used language, Xilinx is still teaching courses for developers https://xilinxprod-catalog.netexam.com/Search?searchText=Advanced%20VHDL)

GO ahead tommy, post a link - _any_ link - that shows VHDL is either an abbreviation for 'very high density logic' or is some sort of documentation system. Please, tommy, _prove_ me wrong with a link that shows VHDL is very high density logic.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Still waiting for that VHDL link, skippy, I know you're out there, I see you commenting on other threads.

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 4:25:40 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

[AMuzi]

I am absolutely ignorant of that entire field.
But since you ask for a link:
https://www.acronymfinder.com/VHDL.html

Tom's definition is the 3d instance.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

On Friday, February 5, 2021 at 6:07:29 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> I am absolutely ignorant of that entire field.
> But since you ask for a link:
> https://www.acronymfinder.com/VHDL.html
>
> Tom's definition is the 3d instance.

With no supporting references. IOW, It's about as technically official as using IOW. VHDL as Very High Density Logic isn't anywhere in the lexicon of electronic design. Try looking for Very High Density Logic examples, you get 0 hits equating Very High Density Logic to VHDL. I will concede to being show a link that equates Very High Density Logic to VHDL, since that's what I asked for, so perhaps I should have been more specific and asked for an example in the electronic design context where sample VHDL was shown as Very High Density Logic.

[Jeff Liebermann]

VHDL as Very High Density Logic also doesn't make much sense. The
line spacing, transistor count, and transistors per square mm, might
conceivably be measured in terms of density. However, logic is not
something that is normally measured in these terms. Logic density was
at one time the number of gates per package or PCB, which might
qualify. However, the common methods are simply transistor count and
chip area. For logic devices, the relevent acronyms for logic density
were defined long ago:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor_count#Logic_functions>
Name Gates
SSI 2 - 100
MSI 100 - 500
LSI 500 - 20,000
VLSI 20,000 - 1,000,000
ULSI >1,000,000

No mention of VHDL as logic density anywhere (except acronym and
abreviation dictionaries). If Google can't find it, it doesn't exist.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=%22VHDL%22+logic+density>

[Tom Kunich]

When did you do Digital design Jeff? Who the hell ever paid attention to hardware terms bandied about by IC companies? VHDL was very high density logic as that reference said and arguing that is doesn't make any sense hard is any kind of point. The real point is why would Flunkmiester say anything about it as if he knew anything about it other than some initials? Why wouldn't that bother you? Instead you're talking about transistor count that would only have some sort of reference to a specific IC company and what the hell they are calling their product" An Intel FPGA with 1100 pins 23 Mbits of memory, 820,000 logic elements and an 18 x 18 DSP is dense whether you think it is or not.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Per funkma...@hotmail.com request, could you provide a reference or
URL that uses VHDL in the manner you suggest (other than in acronym
indexes)? If you are unable to do so, please admit that you're wrong,
confess your sins, and promise to supply corroborating references, as
most everyone else does, in the future.

Also, since you fail to appreciate what you've done to your
reputation, I suggest you consider hiring an image consultant:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_consulting>
Such a consultant can help you adjust your looks, behavior and
communications skills in a manner that will enhance your image, rather
than trash it as you seem prone to doing. You haven't scraped bottom
yet, so I suspect there might still be hope. I have some free
suggestions, but since you'll be paying a consultant for similar
advice, I believe it will be more likely that you'll accept the advice
if you paid for it.

Perception is everything.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

> Who the hell ever paid attention to hardware terms bandied about by IC companies?

Yeah! what the hell do IC companies know about hardware?!?!? .......(wtf)

> VHDL was very high density logic as that reference said

That was hardly a reference, sparky.

> The real point is why would Flunkmiester say anything about it as if he knew anything about it other than some initials?

I think I've proven I know quite a bit more about it that just initials. The fact that you don't believe me in the face of overwhelming evidence is your problem. But then, you also believe the democrats stole the election, there was no recession before Obama took office, and the US never bombed cambodia.

> Why wouldn't that bother you?

Because he knows who is really full of shit here, and it isn't me, or him.

> Instead you're talking about transistor count that would only have some sort of reference to a specific IC company

No, sparky, it doesn't. The list he pasted is from IEEE Standard 100: "The Authoritative Dictionary of IEEE Standards Terms (7th ed.)". If you payed attention, you would know that

> and what the hell they are calling their product" An Intel FPGA with 1100 pins 23 Mbits of memory, 820,000 logic elements and an 18 x 18 DSP is dense whether you think it is or not.

interesting that you would bring up Intel FPGA, sparky....https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/programmable/support/support-resources/design-examples/design-software/vhdl.html

[Tom Kunich]

I'm still waiting for you to tell us how old you are and what you do for a living. That last reference was using software to design very high density logic hardware in case you missed that. If you don't understand what high density FPGA's are perhaps you should reflect on the sentence that says they have downloadable files to set them up in specific applications. It must be terrible for you to know so little and want to act so big.

[News 2021]

On Sun, 07 Feb 2021 08:15:04 -0800, Tom Kunich scribed:

That last reference was using software to design very high
> density logic hardware in case you missed that. If you don't understand
> what high density FPGA's are perhaps you should reflect on the sentence
> that says they have downloadable files to set them up in specific
> applications. It must be terrible for you to know so little and want to
> act so big.

Excuse me and anyone who has ever worked with FPGAs having a laugh. Is
this another example of your lots and lots of IQs. I think your bearing
need attention.

[funkma...@hotmail.com]

Again - we had this discussion 6 months ago. One would think that someone who brags about having such a brilliant mind would remember it.

> That last reference was using software to design very high density logic hardware in case you missed that.

Well, you're correct that it uses software - VHDL specifically - which seems to be something _you_ missed. An FPGA is a Field-Programmable Gate Array. They are programmed with VHDL, as my link demonstrates. When I was using such technology at a telecomm division of HP, we used Xilinx which used generic VHDL, and Altera which used AHDL - Alteras version of VHDL which included their proprietary library structure and keywords. Intel bought out Altera...in case you missed that.

> If you don't understand what high density FPGA's are perhaps you should reflect on the sentence that says they have downloadable files to set them up in specific applications.

I don't think it's me that misunderstands FPGAs sparky. I've written VHDL code, and created those very downloadable files you're referring to. That has been my stance this entire time. It's you that have denied VHDL is a programming language, even after you've been given links to IEEE and specific manufacturers which explicitly discussing programming in VHDL.

> It must be terrible for you to know so little and want to act so big.

Projecting again, sparky?